Double Slovak Marriage Records

In my records from the church records of Tura Luka, I already had the marriage information for Paul Holic and Elizabeth Welowjak.  They were married there on 17 November 1788 "Paulus Holic honestus juvenis hujas sub 331 copulatus est honesta virgine Elizabetha Welowjak Maniensi die 17 Nov.  Testibus Praesentibus, Georgio Dudik, et Joanne Brusska."

In going through the Myjava church records I found the companion marriage record since Elizabeth was from there. "Honestus juvenis Turoluca Paulus Holics Joanis filius sub No. 331 cum honesta virgine Elisabetha Joanis Vdovjak filia." [Myjava Evang. Church Records, Marriages 1783-1805, FHL Film #2408361]  Note that most of the information is the same.  However, the Myjava records definitively give the fathers of the bride and groom.  In the case of the bride, this is new information.  In the case of the groom, it contradicts what I already had.  I had Paul as the son of another Paul, baptized on 24 August 1767.  Perhaps this is incorrect.  Or the Myjava record got his father's name wrong. 

Luckily I have the death records of both Paul and Elizabeth.  I posted images of them here.  In Paul's death record his wife's name is given as Elizabeth Worodjak and his age as 62.  I accepted the four year discrepancy in his age, but now with the added information his father was Jan, I know I need a different Paul Holic than the one I had.  Likewise, I can look at the wide variety of Elizabeths baptized under the name Welowjak, Worodjak, and Vdovjak, which must be variant spellings of the same name.  From her death record I know her approximate birth year of 1770 and now her father's name.  I'm so glad my eye keyed in on this name, which I was not looking for at all.  Of course, I so rarely see Paul Holic in genealogical records I immediately went right to it.  It's my father's name as well.

Comments

[Janet Zavoral]

That's very interesting. I think I'll also try to view the Myjava records for a few Tura Luka (or so I thought) marriages that seem to be missing. Are these Lutheran church records? I have found that the Lutheran Tura Luka films only begin in 1784. You found a baptism from 1767. Where? I'm hopeful that I can keep going back from 1784. The Roman Catholic records go back much farther. You may be aware that one of the Lutheran reels actually has an index of baptisms, marriages and deaths starting in 1784 and going through the end of what was filmed- generally 1909. That would be film # 2431432- item #2. Each index is alphabetical then within the letter it's broken down by year. Baptisms list the child's name, father's name, year and then either a page number or line number. Marriages list groom's and bride's names, year and again page. Deaths may or may not include a bit more info. Not a whole lot of info, BUT it can help you narrow down which pages to view and in what year. You could find out when all the people of a certain name were born then check out the detail in the record. I found a similar Roman Catholic index on roll #2431381 but it doesn't contain as much info. Hopes this help you.

[Martin Hollick]

Thanks so much for this incredibly useful information. I didnt know about the index, but I do now! I do believe that some of my Holics appeared in the late Catholic records.